2012: Why meditation will never change the world

Yesterday I received a phone call from a friend and he told me that one of our common friends, a staunch meditator who used to spend up to 3 hours a day in the lotus position and to preach to anyone, who would care to listen, the benefits of such practice,  had a motorbike accident on the Thai island where I used to live. He lost all his teeth, broke 2 ribs and is now still recovered in a Thai Hospital without insurance.

Motorbike accidents are the first cause of death in Thailand, foreign tourists and residents in Thailand rent motorbikes just for the holidays and ride helmet free, for that picture perfect feeling of freedom. Serious accidents are usually something financially unplanned for by tourists or people who are living “outside or barely above the grid”, as they like to think of themselves, and when one has to face such an event, one will have to face  the ruthlessness of the Thai medical system for foreigners, the bills are prohibitive and without money upfront one cannot have access to medical care, some of my friends could be operated only due to the mercy of their friends advancing the cash on their behalf.

On the island where I lived taxi drivers would get a tip from the hospitals where they brought in a foreigner, Thai people are poor and they can’t suck their blood with hospital bills, but foreigners are a free war zone among hospitals who hope and bribe to get them to their ER first, competition is everywhere, among the bleeding and dying too.

I remember a few years ago when I studied meditation( a practice that never worked for me personally and I am just lucky for not having taken that particular dis-ease on board even though I am not privy to my own delusions like  positive thinking and Law of Attraction of which I was quite a devotee for many years), I read a funny note written by a woman who had embraced meditation as a way of life, she stated that while meditation can help for pretty much everything, if you have an accident and your nose falls off, you should not try to meditate it back but you should undergo surgery, she said not because you couldn’t,  just because surgery exists and we do what is most practical. What a sound advice.

I should let my friend meditator know, don’t try to meditate your teeth back, just go to a dentist, find the money, because that is another thing you cannot meditate yourself into, and fix yourself.

When I used to live on the island we had a few discussions about meditation, he used to support the idea that meditation can heal the world, I was in disagreement having  just landed with a Thud from the Law of Attraction delusion, and I can call it delusion out of personal experience, I took it all the way into practice, I did not work for 4 years, lived in blissful paradise, smoked pot all day and thought positively all the time, BUT I could not manifest Money, I thought about it, did the treasure maps, visualized myself having it, spending it, used all the Money techniques available to make it from thin air and it did not happen. Someone will say, I did not do it right, usually the ones who have the Money and would not, ever, take it this far to see if the teachings are really true, because if they were, I planned to teach it to the whole world, but they did not deliver. Instead I woke up from my delusions almost broke with no job, having cut myself out of the money-making system and having to restart from the bottom again.

Which is OK, because I have manifested this consequence for myself and I know I can walk out of here because I am an experienced rock bottomer, but as I see it today it’s just plain stupid that I had to make this real for myself to see the absurdity of my beliefs.

And so the same is for my friend now, he has landed back on the planet toothless and broken in more than one way, I’m sure he wont’ be meditating at the moment because he will be too busy getting practically out of this mess, looking for physical support that will range from first, finding the money, then finding the dentist, then healing well enough to be able to have credibility again as an energy healer, because it’s hard to convince prospect energy patients that you can do for them what you cannot do for yourself.

Here are the meditators Main Points :

The Starting Point: anyone who approaches meditation does so because they feel bad, this is an elementary clue, because if they felt good they would be out there living their lives and would not sit crossed legs for hours enduring excruciating uncomfortability trying to stop their thoughts

The Motivation: they have thoughts that they have realized they cannot control, and they don’t like them, they don’t like themselves within these thoughts, so they try to quiet their minds and by practice they delude themselves that ‘those nasty thoughts’ have gone away, but they did not, scratch a little and you’ll find them all, not one has gone, check for yourself and you will see

The Advertised Motivation: they say that they meditate to better themselves and  the world, this is not true, this is what they tell others so they won’t have to expose all the turmoil of their minds and feel belittled by how little control they really have over what goes on inside of them and all the terrible self judgement they try to cover up

The Evidence: the world is NOT getting better, they do not participate in reality so they don’t have to face this point, they don’t  watch the news, call people who try to point out numbers and facts ‘negative’ and with this very label they gain the right to not listen and feel self-righteous about why they do not, reality unfortunately doesn’t go away just by not looking at it, when you open your eyes reality is still there, facts and numbers are unchanged, only you have left for a while, check at the next landing and you will find everything totally unfazed. Meditation has no power on the physical reality, you may gain a better (fake) disposition that guarantees better (fake) relationships within the meditators world but that’s about it.

The Picture that represents meditation: I have chosen a picture to represent meditation, I found it interesting that most ‘meditation’ pictures are exactly like this one, a person in blissful isolation in paradise. The key word of meditation is I-SO-LAT-ION, and it is right, they are so late with the landing, the Earth needs all of us, no one should leave until we sort things out, not even, in fact especially not, in their blissful, deceiving minds.

I have seen all these points inside my self as well when I practiced positive thinking and Law of Attraction, I have been to gatherings across the world and saw always the same story, no one of us feels good all the time, it’s impossible, we were not designed this way, we are bi-polar in an energetic sense, each one of us through self investigation will be able to see the switches, how easy it is to flip from positivity to negativity and back, there is no stability within the mind and not ever a chance to get a constant consistent one, Stability is not of the Mind.

Meditation is just another self-serving tool to uplift oneself from the mess of this world, it’s a lift that takes the practitioners from the dungeons of their minds, up to the attic, but what is missed is that, no matter what one beliefs, preaches and tells others, nobody has yet left the building.

The building is Planet Earth, we are all in this together, no one can leave unless through death and guess what, whoo whoo, not even then.

Time to get real, check out a solution that will benefit All Humanity and All Living beings Equally. The mind has no solutions to offer, the solution is Here, within the physical, in the shared Breath of All where Equality and Oneness is already there waiting for us to catch up.

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50 comments on “2012: Why meditation will never change the world

  1. eriskaoss says:

    meditation …. pah… i call it ‘napping!’

    • Lamar says:

      Meditation is a way to exercise the mind and has changed the world in some way, shape of form.

      Ever heard of Buddhism? It came because Buddha meditated on the World and became wiser due to meditation.

      Scientifically speaking, meditation can help blood flow to the brain and improve your brain in ways that would normally be too hard to reach without such. Meditation is a like a workout for your mind. You don’t just sit there, you do something while sitting there.

      For example, there are concentration meditations. I have ADHD and do this because it helps me to focus better. It allows me to keep my concentration on one thing for an instance of time. Why? Because I practice it. Just like in everything we do, practice can improve your ability in what you’re practicing. Want to get better at running? Practice running. Want to get better at fighting? Practice fighting. Want to get better at focusing? Practice focusing.

      • egozzini says:

        HOW has meditation changed the world? Poverty has increased, famine, crimes, violence, wars, rapes, pollution.
        Ever heard of Buddhism changing the world? It would have by now, it’s older than Christianity.
        Of course we can claim that as long as “I am fine”, the world works for me and this is the problem of meditation, it’s a refuge for those that want to claim to be doing something while doing NO THING. Don’t trust me, keep meditating and see the impact you have on the physical – or switch to prayers, works just as well.
        You have ADHD, when you meditate you are slowing the mind down, and yet, you are Not cured, proving that you don’t impact the physical, you just get better at slowing your Mind down.
        Our Minds are the problem, not the solution, we live like superHeroes up there failing to see the source of our separation and our beliefs in what works and what doesn’t beyond and against physical evidence.
        There is no evidence to your claims, they are the product of your Mind, there has not been any improvement in this world, no evolution but a slow painful devolution and if you claim that -you are out of touch with Reality, exactly where meditation wanted you – as only removing ourselves from reality we get a break from the pain of our separation OR we can stand as part of the Solution for Real Change.
        Up to you, easy fantasy or a reality we have to work for? And meditation is NOT the Better Reality we work for…

      • Lamar says:

        @Egozzini

        Well, I find that the fact Buddhism is still followed today (along with Daoism and other forms meditative belief systems) shows that it did change the World. You’re looking at a big frame without having a magnifying glass my friend. Of course the world looks imperfect, but just because something didn’t affect the whole world, does not mean a part of it has not changed. It has affected the world in a big enough way where countries follow the philosophies and principles. Not to mention that many men who have helped to change the world, did so through the influence of meditation.

        For example: Bruce Lee followed these religions and philosophies and applied it to Jeet Kune Do. He would also constantly meditate as well and it would help him with his martial arts training and his life. Why? Because his focus and mind would be improved. He could have a more positive and healthier outlook on life.

        The World will never be perfect friend. If you look through history, there were always people complaining about the World. There were men holding signs saying it will end, people on the streets searching for scraps, etc… The world has changed and yet, it remains the same.

        “it’s a refuge for those that want to claim to be doing something while doing NOTHING. Don’t trust me, keep meditating and see the impact you have on the physical – or switch to prayers, works just as well.”

        That is false. A lot of hippies and people who claim to be meditating, do not actually meditate. They sit there doing nothing. However, meditation does do something if you know the reason behind doing and in order to do it properly. There are different forms of meditation. Forms to practice focus, forms to practice self awareness, forms to help rest the mind and relax, etc…

        There has even been scientific study that says meditation does improve one’s mind. Including, allowing blood to flow through your brain more easily. Your brain likes bloodflow (Not to be drowned by blood of course, but to have blood running through the brain). Your brain can think more clearly when the blood flow in your brain is sufficient. It’s almost like allowing your brain to be plastic again, not quite as close, but close enough.

        Also, even if it doesn’t cure my ADHD, it does help in my general life. I can focus better, read better, and research better. Is that not something?

        “Our Minds are the problem, not the solution, we live like superHeroes up there failing to see the source of our separation and our beliefs in what works and what doesn’t beyond and against physical evidence.”

        Our minds are a problem, because we never really learn how to have some control over it. If one learns to use their mind, would they not learn to use what works and what doesn’t? Besides, even through science, we still are foolish in our own way. We find a way that’s better, but at another cost. But do we acknowledge the cost for each scientific innovation? Not always.

        You say that meditation is not a better “reality”. We don’t attempt to escape to another world. We attempt to train our minds. We attempt to allow our brains to function more efficiently. By practicing the thought of creativity, we can be more creative. By practicing how to focus through thought, we become more focused. It’s straightforward and simple, no? There is even, again, scientific studies that support meditation. If you don’t believe me, you can research for yourself my friend.

        The world may not seem like a great place currently, but it’s because of your mindset that you believe that. Our brains are connected to our bodies and the point of our thoughts. One man can love the world and the other can hate it, but in the end, you, the brain that’s connected to a machine, don’t realize what messages your brain send you.

      • egozzini says:

        “The world may not seem like a great place currently, but it’s because of your mindset that you believe that.”

        There you go – an obvious side effect of the delusion of meditation and similar practices. Try to go without food, shelter, water, Money then you will land in a rush back on the planet and give up for good the delusions of the Mind. reality is physical and as such physically measurable, the ones that have the luxury to debate such points are not hungry or homeless, nor physically enslaved or sold in the sex trade. if they were they would stop calling reality perceptual, the only perceptual reality is the one that is not REAL and since we have 3 billion people in one of the conditions mentioned, mind if we skip the part where I entertain your ego and your ideas about what reality is in and of your Mind?
        There is One reality, the physical one which doesn’t need interpretation, when you’ll join us there we may have something to talk about.

  2. reallove4all says:

    lol eriskaoss!

    Cool Share Eleonora! Thanks!

  3. bullyarn says:

    The experience and reasons for meditation are individual. Your all encompassing and toxic view should not be perceived by anyone as “truth”. Find out for yourself people. I’m not sure if anyone said ‘meditation alone can heal the world’ that would be ridiculous. Meditation doesn’t feed people, doesn’t provide shelter, the list goes on and on. If what they meant was ‘if everyone practiced meditation, then they would understand their connection to one and all and therefore greed and selfishness’ then yes, meditation could heal the world because everyone would understand the needs of all and the connection to all.

    I would recommend ‘The venus project’ and the ‘zeitgeist movement’ as a global practical move toward healing the world. And there are thousands of organisations waking up to what needs to be done. So tag on or start your own.
    To take this blogpost as a successful debunking of meditation and spirituality would be tragic.

    • egozzini says:

      The fact that you leave a comment without a name preaching meditation just shows what I believe about it, meditation is bullshit and all the meditators are bullshitters. For people to close their eyes to understand they are One and once they do go back to their merry go round lives not giving a shit about what is happening to half of the world means that ‘being One’ is just a sentence you use to fill your mouth and is not bringing a practical solution to anyone buy YOU. Meditators are the ones who meditate because they have enough to live but not enough to splurge or they would be out splurging not giving a shit about the state of the Earth, so get real, starting from your name unless your mum called you bullyarn from birth in which case I give you my sincere apologies, if not come back with a name, your name so you start to try out what being responsible is all about, then make a stand, did you get it that we are One ? Then stand up for a practical change that will benefit All Equally. The ones who are toxic here are the ones filled with delusions that they spread around as solutions and what is tragic is that you attempt to believe your own bullshit when you must know somewhere inside of you the real reasons why you keep meditating if you do or why you enjoy closing your eyes if you already had the realization you talk about but are just not willing to stand up for a Change that will benefit the One you talk about. Noone is free until all is free. Equal Money, be part of the solution and not part of the problem.

      • I have no idea who you are, but your rock! If I’d believe in a god I’d thank her to have found your blog!

      • Phil says:

        Bro,

        Try using a period sometime. They are there for a reason, along with other grammatical conventions.

        Anyways, meditation is a tool, and you assume that people look at it like it’s the answer to everything. It’s a tool for wellness, and it can help. It won’t change the world, but LOGICALLY speaking, it’s foolish to think that the cause you support will do much to change it either.

      • egozzini says:

        Very impressive Dear Meditator, you can’t even get over the point of punctuation without having an issy fit.
        We are proposing structural system changes, we support a Living Wage Guaranteed for All because Life is not even a Human Right so far, so you can either get informed and partecipate or watch it happen from your yoga mat – wellness just for some promoted as something Spiritual is a scam, with no connection to Physical Reality, next landing read the news and then see for yourself how much meditation has helped so far, if it supported personal change we would have better people involved in world changes for real – while they seem to be all on this thread upholding their right to have it their way AND get brownie points for it. Not from me, OK with that? Go meditate on it, BRO …

      • Usually people who bother too much about form don’t have any substance. Yes, I do have problems writing in English because it’s not my first language. I’m French, raised speaking French and Italian and picked up English in my early 30s. So I can communicate in three language, oh wait, 4 I can go by in Spanish. Most ‘mericans can’t even speak their own language correctly but it’s always nice to meet one who has nothing special to say and can only comment about my syntax. Yes, meditation is a tool. I does make you feel good or better in a world that’s falling apart. Which means most practioners of meditation go around thinking everything is fine. Most things are not. Practicing something every day that makes you feels great while you should go around pissed off, worried might not be the right thing to do. Yeah, let’s all sit down under an oak tree and let’s all focuse on our breath or our navel or something nice…that will fix Social Security, Medicare, Congress corruption, plastic in the oceans and climate change.

      • egozzini says:

        Thanks Philippe for speaking up, we have a new website called Basicincome.me, supporting a living wage guaranteed, where everyone will have to be given enough to live because Life is the first Human Right we overlook when talking about Human Rights -which in fact nobody needs unless they have a right to live, a right that at the moment is not grated to everyone but only to those with Money, so welcome to drop by and check all our blogs there. Keep well.

      • Tom says:

        do you still agree with your views? or have you grown up?

        meditation doesn’t pay the bills, or get things done… It helps you relax from a stressful life. Just like winding down with alcohol except its much healthier.

        how is that a bad thing… i dont understand what your trying to get at.

      • egozzini says:

        Hi Tom,
        since the comments are always divided in pro meditation and against meditation, I will share a reply a gave earlier about the topic

        Hi Alberto,
        thanks for your post, an interesting use and experience of meditation you are describing here.
        I lived for quite a number of years in Buddhist/Taoist countries, some of these, like Thailand, where people make of meditation a part of their daily living, are quite gentle and accepting of others and their different points of view, like different religions to name one, or different gender definition, like their idea of the third sex as in those we would call ‘transvestites’.
        Generally though, meditation as a spiritual practice is quite arid, it benefits just the belief system of the user as in saying, they feel good about it, can tick off having done something ‘spiritual’ and that nothing else of them is required, in that sense meditation has replaced religion and in the specific ‘prayer time’, we just didn’t notice we swapped one ritual for another.
        This blog was part of a series we made called ‘debunking spirituality’, there was nothing personal about it, although many comments made it so precisely because ‘the Meditators personalities didn’t like the experience I shared as a first hand experience about how meditation and meditators perceive themselves as ‘having done enough’, which ends up making meditation not just an excuse for doing nothing else but those who practice it mostly – arrogant pricks. Please read the comments to have a taste for it.
        I don’t mind to rock this ‘Meditation Boat’, I realized the world was in very bad conditions not through meditating, how could I? With your eyes closed it’s hard to see what goes on and for what concerns changing oneself, this I can testify, meditation doesn’t work – it’s just a break in the space time continuum, but people land back in their old selves every single time, unless you use meditation as a reflection of what needs changing and then APPLY/LIVE that change, people are just wasting time – and getting to feel good about it.
        Isn’t that too much? I reckon it is, as I said before, we need a mass landing here because the planet where we live, our home, is having some serious issues we can’t address by flying off in the ethers, as our awakening – we need to feel as bad as this ailing world is feeling to make that change and this is why I am not a supporter of feeling good stuff, it’s just a distraction, a removal of oneself from the scene of the crime – if this world is sinking is everyone’s responsibility, we become too small when we accept things the way they are and find soothing pacifiers to cope with the reality of the world – off with the pacifiers, then the truth is what will be left and together we can work to change it to create a world that works for all.

      • egozzini says:

        yes Tom, I can see that. I can see as well that you reacted because you meditate – which shows how meditation doesn’t change us.
        Try to read again what I wrote, no one said it’s a ‘bad thing’, I was just making the point that it doesn’t change people, angry people stay angry bar for the time they close their eyes and stop relating to others, selfish people stay selfish etc – so maybe, just maybe, if we drop the veil on the value of meditation, we can find together real solutions that change us for real, for good and don’t end when we open our eyes.
        Grown up enough ?

    • Poop says:

      If you had the chance to be on top, you’d take it. Don’t condemn selfishness.

      • egozzini says:

        No one said I wouldn’t or didn’t and how would meditation put you on top? Top of what? Selfishness and greed are a byproduct of this system and the system is a mirror image of our nature exploited to turn people into better consumers – Meditation is now just another consumer product and it won’t change people one bit, nor the world, this was the point of my blog, if you read anything else in it would be interesting to work out why. A meditator?

  4. bullyarn says:

    The reasons for and experience of it are individual.
    Someone saying ‘meditation can heal the world’ is nonsense, we require food, water, shelter.
    If what was meant was… ‘If everyone practiced meditation and therefore understood the connection to all people and the earth, then people would understand greed, selfishness inequality and would change’ then yes, meditation can change the world.
    To take this post as successful debunking of spirituality and meditation would be tragic. I recommend research into why it exists, the history in all cultures and who does it.
    It is not a practical mean of changing the world. For that I would recommend the ‘The Venus Project’ ‘RBE’ systems and projects and The Zeitgeist movement.
    Namaste

    • egozzini says:

      Zeitgest and the Venus project are just another ride, I recommend you educate yourself to bringing about a solution that is Best for All, Venus Project, have you calculated how long it would take to build their dream world and how much money it would take and who would get into the pilot cities ? The Zeitgeist Movement is just an exposure of what is going on without solutions, a solution must be encompassing All Life and must be immediate and must be What is Best for All. None of your options is, start opening your eyes, get off the meditation cloud and you will start to see what you have missed all along, each one personal responsibility for change and to fix what is Here, which is here for All to see, unless you have joined the ones that don’t watch the news and do not inform yourself because it gives you ‘a negative vibe’ ?
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      • bullyarn says:

        Yes. I recommend them as a starting point to critical thinking and change for the good of all mankind. I know what they are. I know what I am, thank you. You are making many assumptions about me and then drawing your own conclusions about what my actions should be. I’m 24 and have meditated twice and understand the benefits.
        I try to avoid watching the news. It controls what you learn. I read books and research on the internet. “negative vibe” is very dismissive. If language can corrupt thought, thought can corrupt language.

  5. bullyarn says:

    You fail to note that I said ‘RBE projects’ too.
    The Zeitgeist movement is not just about exposure of what is going on. Follow them on facebook, go to a zeitgeist talk, quash your assumptions. People get up and talk about projects they have started to help human lives and how to get involved and set up your own. It sounds like you have decided to stop learning about it after watching the movie or 2. People with all levels of academic qualification get up and speak, about various subjects, people from all walks of life about all walks of life. It is ‘personal responsibility for all to see’ and those who don’t understand that are the frustration of the movement. People expecting the zeitgeist “organisers” and “speakers” to DO all the things. It is up to the individual to do their own thing, help others, be proud of it, get up and tell people how they did it and what others can do.
    And meditation can help you realise it is personal responsibility for all to see. If you use meditation to understand your connection to everyone and everything and not see life and earth and you as separate. If someone uses meditation to just sit down and have some quiet time because they don’t know what its about, that is all it will BE about to them.

  6. Dan says:

    @ Author, you seem to go out of your way to bash something you dislike. Perhaps you are right in everything you say. Though what if, maybe, some people meditate because they are sick, can’t afford expensive pills and just want relief from the pain? What if these people have no intent of “changing the word”? What if an athlete chooses to meditate to calm their nerves before a sporting event? What if there are an infinite amount of reasons people choose to meditate that have nothing to do with changing the world? Also, what does your friend getting into an accident have to do with meditation? Go on, flame my comment, I’d like to understand why you have a grudge over someone sitting down and relaxing.

  7. Lamar says:

    “There you go – an obvious side effect of the delusion of meditation and similar practices. Try to go without food, shelter, water, Money then you will land in a rush back on the planet and give up for good the delusions of the Mind.”

    This is not a delusion of the mind. You are upset about how the world works and you have the right to be. However, through meditation, this statement seems foolish. Through meditation, I learn that my body needs food, water and shelter. Money is an object that was created by man. Money isn’t an object of every part of the World, but it has turned to a “necessity” in America, England and other countries. Through meditation, one learns though, that depriving yourself of food, water and shelter is harmful to the body. Why would that be a delusion? I don’t know.

    “Reality is physical and as such physically measurable, the ones that have the luxury to debate such points are not hungry or homeless, nor physically enslaved or sold in the sex trade. if they were they would stop calling reality perceptual, the only perceptual reality is the one that is not REAL and since we have 3 billion people in one of the conditions mentioned, mind if we skip the part where I entertain your ego and your ideas about what reality is in and of your Mind?”

    Nobody said that reality isn’t physical. I believe this because of meditation. However, when they say that the world is perceptual, it just means that our mind drives us in a way. Without our brains, what would we see? Our brains are the ones that show us color. Our brains let us feel. Our brains display this Earth for us. If we were bacteria, this world wouldn’t be recognized to us. It would still exist, but the existence of the World is still a perception in the fact that, our brains control what happens with us.

    For example, there’s an Owl in this world that can see things in slow motion. If it looks at a movie theater screen, it will see each flicker, of the screen. Who’s reality is true? It’s reality or ours? Humans are self centered creatures to think everything revolves around them. Besides, with all the measurable features of the world, there are issues with this. Perhaps I am wrong, but you agree with the majority because the majority is happening. But even in western Philosophy, that is against logic and is called a bandwagon fallacy.

    “There is One reality, the physical one which doesn’t need interpretation, when you’ll join us there we may have something to talk about.”

    I believe the world is real. I never said it wasn’t. I think that even if I die, this world will still be spinning and there will be others following it. The world is physically existent. It does exist. Meditation is not to question silly issues like “What if, the rock below us is like, not really here and we’re just someone’s dream?” That is not meditation. If it was, that question would have been easily solved through meditation. The Earth below us does exist, however, we are not completely in control of the reality that is seen and perceived by us. There have even been scientists that say so.

    Though, I do disagree on your perception of the existence between society and reality. I mean, I know that those issues do happen, but that doesn’t mean that’s how life is suppose to be and that the men with “money” are on top. If that were the case, it would always apply. But let me ask, what would money be in a post-apocalyptic state? Money would be laughed at.

    • egozzini says:

      The title of this Post is ‘Why Meditation won’t change the world’ – you have not proved it did or that it does, you are defending what you enjoy to do and to which you have given some meaning – yet the fact stays, it changes only your reality and hence is just an exercise of mass distraction.
      If you are not upset about this world you have not landed into reality, we are talking 3 billion people having problems, BIG problems, that makes it almost half of the world population, the fact it’s not you or your family and as such Not a problem proves that meditators are just in for their own ride and then insist on trying to prove they are Spiritual and holding all sorts of good intentions, just look at the messages posted here for the exposure of Mass delusion.
      We are proposing a new economics system for a world change that will include ALL, everyone understands what a dignified Life is but not why not everyone should be entitled by Birth to one.
      Your argument about Money post Apocalypse is invalid, we are not there yet, we are Here, where Money is what determines who lives and who dies, if you hold doubts abut this give up all your Money and go meditate somewhere and see how long you last – that is reality, not the one you make up or like to paint, the one that is Here and we don’t want to face – and yet that will not make it go away.
      For your post apocalypse theory we can wait and see, because sure as hell that’s where we are heading, when you will lose your MONEY which is what sustains you at the moment – no matter what you claim- you will understand the power it holds over Life and then you may be able to hear why we are proposing as a system change that starts from the Money System, it’s not about Money AT ALL, it’s about redistributing worth and value to each Life Equally, then we will solve the problem of meditators at the root, when no one will find it hard to be Here, no one will be flying off into their Minds, that will prove what we have been saying all along, it is REALITY that needs changing, not the separated individual ones, the collective shared one we insist of not acknowledging, and when we will, no one will have to experience hell on Earth, because Hell is real, you are just exempted it through the money you have, such is the power of Money, it shifts the consequences of what we have done and are doing on the ones at the bottom of the ladder, but it’s all changing, maybe meditators will be the last ones to notice, landing here randomly doesn’t allow you to hold and check the pulse of where we are, the collective wake up call is coming, then there won’t be anywhere to go in the Mind and then you will see how useless the mind is and always has been in the face of the Physical, no matter how much effort we have put in making up all sorts of beliefs to the contrary, it won’t MATTER, because the Mind doesn’t Matter.
      Time to wake up.

  8. Ryan says:

    Damn, you are really petty. I hope you are having lots of fun luring people into a completely pointless argument. Saying “meditation is bullshit” is just as stupid and ignorant as saying exercising is bullshit. There are very clear, scientifically proven benefits from daily meditation. End of story. To say otherwise is to speak from a lack of knowlege on the subject. Stop being a baby-back bitch and grow up, you troll.

    • egozzini says:

      You must have reading disabilities – title says it clearly, read again.
      Entertaining yourself works just for you, period. Additionally being unable to refrain from calling someone “bitch” is just another point that proves the utter uselessness of meditation, if it did not even change your desire to insult others you stand as a very poor example of the cause you want to uphold. And as far as trolling, you are the one commenting on a post, Trolls are those who feel the need to speak their Mind no matter what rubbish is there to share, so give up the trolling AND the meditation, land back on Earth, because there are a few problems down here to address that you can’t see until you fly all-mighty on your High Meditation Horse.

      • Lamar says:

        As I’ve said ego, not many meditate properly. Though, I must ask, have you ever meditated yourself? How long have you done so? Have you done so properly? Meditating without knowing how to do so can be a problem (Like many other things).

        For example. A lot of hippies meditate without knowing what they’re attempting to do or what they’re doing. They act like they know what Daoism is and such, but then contradict much of it. They’ll become vegetarians because they think it’s healthy, but through proper meditation, you will learn that you need both meat and vegetables for a healthy diet.

        A man is a character of many flaws and that one guy’s post is a representation of that. Yes, he did something foolish by insulting you. But allow me to speak in his place. All I ask is a fair chance. Attempt to meditate yourself properly. If you still think that it’s pointless after a few months, (Please do so consistently) then I will say nothing and respect your opinion peacefully. But meditation has helped me think of some good compositions (at least, in my personal opinion) and calmed my anger issues. We don’t deny that the world has many problems, but you have to admit, it’s not as bad as it use to be.

        Woman use to be far more suppressed but can now work at jobs, go to school and vote. Is that not good? Racism is not as terrible as it use to be, by any means. Yes, it exists, but a lot of us can be with our black or white friends, without being judged. I’m not saying the world is perfect, but moreso, look on the bright side of things. Plus, we live once and might as well enjoy our lives, no? What’s the point of living depressed?

      • egozzini says:

        “The Bright side of things” is a make belief world made possible by departing the physical reality.

        If meditation turns people inside out and makes them better human beings – why then is nobody even inquiring abut the solution we are taking about in all our posts to change the world to a place that works for ALL? Shouldn’t meditators be the first lining up to participate in a physical world change that would benefit those living in abject poverty, horrific lives that you would not like to experience for yourself, the animal kingdom and the environment? And yet, they are NOT.
        They are instead spending their time posting their comments in defense of their ‘Mind Entertainment System’ because they dislike anyone questioning the validity of what is done in the name of a Change that is NOT in fact affecting the physical world in any way whatsoever – why isn’t this raising any question about the need to land back on THIS planet that we share and make the required changes instead? Then the bright side won’t have to be manufactured in our minds but will be a physical expression of who we are and what we stand for as Equality and Oneness. Consider this at your next landing.

      • egozzini says:

        There is one physical world that does’t require to have an opinion about it, open your eyes and see it, then we have common ground for exchange. By the way, this is my blog not “a website”, on it I write to expose the delusions we have fallen for that stand in the way of a common solution. You are welcome to not read it, meditation is not a personal battle for me, it’s just a mind fuck up that benefits self interest -no matter what it claims. If you deny the physical reality you are part of the problem. Wake up.

    • Yep, I’ve just noticed this reply. But yes, it’s very “surprising” to see that Ryan was not really “improved” as a human being by his meditation practice. Insulting people online from the safety of your room doesn’t reveal somebody who has invested time into a great practice. Obviously if meditation still allows people to behave in such ways we are all entittled to have our doubt about this practice.

  9. What a breath of fresh air reading this has been! I totally agree with your view of meditation. It is without any doubt equal to withdrawing from the world. Absolutely nothing preached by people involved in meditation makes sense; If everybody picks up medication, I mean meditation, nobody will have the energy nor the desire to improve the real world, fight to save medicare and Social Security. Finally somebody who agrees with what I’ve felt about meditation for a long time.

  10. “The world may not seem like a great place currently, but it’s because of your mindset that you believe that.”

    I assume these two pictures below illustrate wrong mindsets?

    https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/nsbIBPlX4RK-hAmghaGdvroUoipjNKbTkQU4COroxCc=w261-h221-p-no

    • egozzini says:

      Thanks for your messages Philippe, nice to have a comment of someone who has a name and stands accountable for what they say vs all the anonymous love and lighters with enlightened handles of the web who believe so much in Love and Light that they rather not disclose their name because..emmhh..because you never know the evil and negativity that lurks out there.
      Yes, the picture you posted are precisely the kind of images we try to delete from our awareness because we could not uphold the crappy lies we tell each other if we did not, how is a kid not fed, that can’t access food, that is homeless, that doesn’t have the same chances at living from the start at fault for the system we designed and defend? When you see this we have to wonder if Love and Light is the ultimate Evil because we have to deliberately blank out the suffering of others to access our own and yet that doesn’t make the suffering of others less real nor it makes it go away.
      I am a recovering Love and Lighter myself until I landed into reality with a Thud, I write so that others may wake up without having to go through the same landing because I barely survived it and there is no need to push oneself into the echelons of delusions just to double the speed of landing, it hurts, its ineffective and the trauma of the shame to face all in one go is hardly bareble, because this is what we are running from, the shame, the shame of having bought a life that works for ourselves in a Casino system where those without money can’t even play for their life, we picked and chose the lives we liked because we could and then justified the insanity of this world with as many lies we could come up with, from Karma, to people having chosen to experience a ‘particular life’, we dont name those lives that we have left for others to live because if we did and then tried to stick to the things we say we ‘BeLieve’ we would notice our own insanity and the game would be over.
      Who would have chosen for themselves to be born in a war thorn zone in the world, or to be raped as a child and sold into sex trafficking, or to be a slave in Sierra leone to mine useless pieces of stone made precious through a cartel and brainwashing, really?
      So, thanks for being real about what is going on Philippe, regarding who we are, I am a woman, I now live in Italy, have lived abroad for many years and returned 2 years ago, I am walking with a group from all over the world standing up for Change, we understand that Change must come from within because we have all equally participated in this abusive system, so it is not about blame, it’s about reclaiming our self response-ability to stand up as a piece of the system that says ‘not in my name’.
      So, if you are interested, check out Equal Money or look up Economist’s Journey to Life Blog, those are our outer solutions, we are everywhere on the web, on Facebook you can join our group called Journey to Life, this is our individual commitment to change ourselves and our own abusive system desgned nature, where each one of us is walking out of the delusions of the Mind that exists in separation, within a polarity of friction, competition, desire to win no matter at what cost, etc, to return ourselves to Life, One and Equal with everything that exists and return dignity to Life for All.
      Check us out and when you are ready you can stand up for and as the Change you want to see in this world.

      • I certainly will check the links you suggested. I was born and raised in France. Moved to the US in 1990. My mother is French, my father moved from Italy to France in 1959. He’s from a small town called Taurisano. He lives in France now. Are you still involved with Desteni? If you are I’m going to need some help to sort out some of the things they say on their site. Also why did YouTube deleted their account?.

      • Could you comment of that reptilian stuff, Anu, etc? Is that something you suscribe to?

  11. Brian says:

    “Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment.”

    “Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without.”

    “We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world.”

    “Have compassion for all beings, rich and poor alike; each has their suffering. Some suffer too much, others too little.”

    “To conquer oneself is a greater task than conquering others.”

    “In the sky, there is no distinction of east and west; people create distinctions out of their own minds and then believe them to be true.”

    Buddha

    Meditation is an empty mind free of attachment. A judgmental mind is cluttered and fragmented. Meditation is not good nor bad. It just is. Breathing is necessary. To do it well, is self control. Everyone inevitably suffers during a lifetime. Meditation won’t harm you yet it does work for some people. This article is only a subjective view of it in a negative light, which compared to the overwhelming evidence, experience and testimony of MILLIONS of practitioners is quite absurd and pointless. I would hardly take a stoner’s shortsighted, cynical, personal opinion seriously over the inspiring words of an Enlightened One. LOL You may THINK you are wise, yet in all reality you look desperate. “Law of Attraction” and “positive thinking” are not direct aspects of any meditation btw. Hope you find peace in objectivity rather than making false claims.

    • egozzini says:

      There goes an obvious meditator with an empty mind – as you suggested. You did not get the point, but you can’t because you are into the religion of Meditation and feel better than others about it, this shows in your quoting the ‘big Minds’ at the very beginning so that your message carries MORE weight because it is shared.
      And yet you don’t Mind calling me a stoner, because you wish to frame me into what I have been as my personal attempt to escape the ugliness of the world – which is what meditators are all about, the only difference is that they feel entitled to it because their HIGH is Legal, so much for having relinquished all judgement BTW.
      On the other hand what is clear is that you do not wish your world to be shaken and stirred, you like to just empty your mind from the horrors of this world because you suffer too, maybe when your team loses a game or when your favorite TV show is cancelled or when your yoga math needs to be replaced, and yet there is close to 1 billion starving as you found the guts to write why you are entitled to your own way to not participate because it makes you feel bad doing so.
      Here is the news breaker, not wanting to participate is just as abusive as seeing and doing nothing about this world, I would go as far as saying it is worse, because those that meditate SEE what is going on and then look for ways to delete it from their mind, which is a deliberate act of spitefulness, so dear meditator, hang on to your judgement that says I am not entitled to say that meditation is just another emergency exit, surely though as an ‘aware’ being, you should not allow yourself to close your eyes to this world atrocities and hope to get a ticket out for free, you are part of this world, you are here, you may not like it but that doesn’t make you any less responsible, just more devious, as you seek the approval of others to fuck off in your mind while you delete one unacceptable thing after another until your mind is EMPTY. Pity it doesn’t delete what goes on in the world, it just removes YOU as one brick that could instead realign as part of The Solution to no longer be part of the problem. Happy Mindfucks, see you around at your next landing into reality.

  12. Maureen says:

    Meditation is quite literally the process of sitting on your bum and doing nothing. That’s why meditation is becoming more popular; people are lazier than ever. They literally just want to sit there, do nothing, be nothing, all the while pretending to be “enlightened”…what a joke. “Emptying your mind” is just a polite way of saying a dimwit who can’t think of anything.

  13. Anon says:

    You are dumb as fuck. No one is trying or even claiming that meditation can change the world. As said before, it has been scientifically proven to be beneficial to people who practice it daily. It is not a delusion, it is backed by science, a simple fact. No matter how much you dislike it.

    You know what doesn’t change the world? Negativity and complaining on the internet. You’re the same dumb fuck who thought if he sat around and hoped for money to appear it would. Now you’re lashing out at productive practices because your own mistakes and using the guise of caring about the world.

    I’m not here to argue with you because like Mark Twain said, “Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”

    • egozzini says:

      Are you a meditator with Tourette or have you chosen your words specifically to prove the benefit of meditation?
      Maybe you have not realized that positivity HAS NOT changed the world, but that would happen to meditators because the disconnection from reality in favour of mind trips doesn’t allow for reality checks.
      This post was only about coming down to earth for reality checks because no matter how good people ‘feel’ in their minds, the world that needs to be addressed to solutions doesn’t go away nor changes because of it.
      And people do claim that meditation changes the world, check out meditation gatherings experiments as in people getting together to meditate to lower the violence in one place, good luck with that pipe dream and happy landing on the planet for those that start to question the validity of any mind gimmick vs getting involved in projects seeking real physical solutions that can benefit all, the whole to change the world into a place we can be proud to call home.

      • Yep, you’re correct here. I’ve heard of those meditation groups. And it’s still important to realize that when one meditates it’s only and always in an attempt to improve oneself, not to improve the world. Basically, for many people, particularly a certain type here in the US, meditation is just another narcissist practice. Improving me, myself and I, in the meantime planes are still being shot down, we’ll reached 200,000 people killed in Syria sometime next month and this week we’ll reach 1000 Palestinians killed. But some people in NYC feel really good because they’ve focused on their own breathing for 20 minutes.

      • egozzini says:

        Thanks Philippe for standing up for common sense.
        Your dumb as fuck friend.

    • And you what is also not going to change the world? Going around on the internet telling people ” they are dumb as fuck” You’re right, we should not argue with you.

  14. TaiChiTJ says:

    How do you know that one of the main reasons the world has not blown itself up is because some its residents are meditating?

    An oil tanker can round the horn of aftrica on its way north with a programmable course. If that course is set one meter off it means very little at the moment but will result in a different destination at the end of voyage. Those who are sincerely working on themselves may be that small nudge that has kept us from a global ending. Cheers.

    • egozzini says:

      How do you know the contrary? Totally agree that those that are sincerely working on themselves will be the real foundation for a new world – just saying meditating is not enough, we have physical problems to address in this physical world, that won’t go away if we meditate about them being already solved, so people can keep on meditating AND working to change the world. The problem is when we justify doing fuck all because we are already meditating about it – that I have an issue with and I don’t mind talking about it, even if meditators feel hurt that I should raise such a subject and burst their happy meditating bubble. Cheers

  15. Alberto Tutsique says:

    I’m fairly new to meditation, however I understand that it is not a solution to any of the world’s problem. But maybe if all people started doing it, it might change things. Meditation isn’t about sitting still, doing nothing or pretending to be enlightened. It allows you to see what is truly wrong with this world, and what needs to be changed. You find answers to these through meditation, but to offer a solution, you need action. Most people prefer the “feel good” land of meditation over action, I’m afraid. Sometimes me included in those people.

    Change is hard. Coming up with solutions is easy, but difficult to apply. Media and press shape the minds of the masses, you can’t work with people like that. Meditation in this sense, would help those people who think that their faith, their thought-system, their opinions are the only right ones, that are better than others. This is of course false.

    Through meditation I found out that people are herded like animals by governments, by the media, and by other people. Individiual freedom and detachment from artificial laws and rules is the solution. And that’s precisely where most people fail. People are constantly seeking identity, on which they can build their personality and belief-system. This identity may present itself in the form of a movement, or even a religion. If you try to take this away, if you try to tell people the truth about their real minds, their inner-selves, they will naturally get aggressive as you’re also trying to tell them to let go of their identities that they worked so hard on.

    Meditation aims to reach the foundations of your mind, where all knowledge and habits cease to exist. Yes, it has the power to change the world, only when the truth is applied. But seeing how things are going in this world, that is highly unlikely.

    When arguing with people, be mindful and maintain respect, instead of fanatically protecting your opinion and bashing each other. This is my suggestion to everyone, not only you. This world has enough problems and human beings are already separated and torn apart as it is. Don’t make it worse. If we can’t even argue with respect to each other, then we will never change the world.

    “I disapprove of what you say, but I wil defend to the death your right to say it.” – Evelyn Beatrice Hall

    • egozzini says:

      Hi Alberto,
      thanks for your post, an interesting use and experience of meditation you are describing here.
      I lived for quite a number of years in Buddhist/Taoist countries, some of these, like Thailand, where people make of meditation a part of their daily living, are quite gentle and accepting of others and their different points of view, like different religions to name one, or different gender definition, like their idea of the third sex as in those we would call ‘transvestites’.
      Generally though, meditation as a spiritual practice is quite arid, it benefits just the belief system of the user as in saying, they feel good about it, can tick off having done something ‘spiritual’ and that nothing else of them is required, in that sense meditation has replaced religion and in the specific ‘prayer time’, we just didn’t notice we swapped one ritual for another.
      This blog was part of a series we made called ‘debunking spirituality’, there was nothing personal about it, although many comments made it so precisely because ‘the Meditators personalities didn’t like the experience I shared as a first hand experience about how meditation and meditators perceive themselves as ‘having done enough’, which ends up making meditation not just an excuse for doing nothing else but those who practice it mostly – arrogant pricks. Please read the comments to have a taste for it.
      I don’t mind to rock this ‘Meditation Boat’, I realized the world was in very bad conditions not through meditating, how could I? With your eyes closed it’s hard to see what goes on and for what concerns changing oneself, this I can testify, meditation doesn’t work – it’s just a break in the space time continuum, but people land back in their old selves every single time, unless you use meditation as a reflection of what needs changing and then APPLY/LIVE that change, people are just wasting time – and getting to feel good about it.
      Isn’t that too much? I reckon it is, as I said before, we need a mass landing here because the planet where we live, our home, is having some serious issues we can’t address by flying off in the ethers, as our awakening – we need to feel as bad as this ailing world is feeling to make that change and this is why I am not a supporter of feeling good stuff, it’s just a distraction, a removal of oneself from the scene of the crime – if this world is sinking is everyone’s responsibility, we become too small when we accept things the way they are and find soothing pacifiers to cope with the reality of the world – off with the pacifiers, then the truth is what will be left and together we can work to change it to create a world that works for all.

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